Gary says if your a pastor, planter, or church leader you have to hear this. It doesn’t matter what you do for a living, you’ve got to listen to this. From stay at home mom to company CEO there is something for everybody. It will be the best 43 min. of your week, guaranteed. Pastors and church leaders you’ve got to hear the last 2 min. Go here for the Podcast interview of Brian Houston of Hillsong interviewing TD Jakes. You will be inspired.